How much are you required to tell your opponent?

I was recently inspired to write a brief little something after some RTT games and a blog post by BlackMoore. How much are you required to tell your opponent? Do you wait till they ask? Do you tell them the minimum? Do you do it before or during the game? A prime example is a game one of our forum members (Gritts) played as described in this post: 2K Nids vrs Chaos demons (wall O text warning) . Even though he won, at the end of the game he was still completely unclear on why his opponent was keeping track of killed models, what unit or model was providing what benefit. To quote Gritts, ” But I never felt out of control of this game so I wasn't in a mood to argue.” I find it troubling that even after winning this game, he still felt somehow something was wrong with the game.

I personally have been on the receiving end of various misplayed special rules. Dante’s death mask applied to Fateweaver, he is not an independent character. An opponent forgetting to state that a special character makes a certain unit scoring, even though asked what units are scoring. The list could be very long. I am sure others have had similar experiences. While I do not want to call anyone out for ‘cheating’ or un-sportsman-like-behavior, each one of those games tends to leave me with a certain feeling, regardless of win/loss, about that game that tends to linger. In our gaming club it is just chalked up to a learning experience, although frequently weeks or months long ribbing maybe involved, fenrisian wolves in rhino luggage racks jumps to mind.

One camp usually states, it is up to my opponent to know the rules. I have several problems with this. For one, codices are expensive and only getting more so. While I am usually referred to as the ‘codex bitch’ on our show, I own all codices currently legal, and a lot no longer in print (not as many as Larry J ), I can not expect anyone else to do so. Nor should anyone else expect anyone else to buy all of them to just be able to play a tournament. The financial bar to enter the hobby and play tournaments is high enough, let’s not make it harder.

Counter argument to this could be that any codex is available on a torrent or viewable with a little searching on sites such as http://www.scribd.com . While I admit using scribd to see leaked copies, I prefer to remain fully legal and copyright safe. You just can’t expect people to compromise their personal morals to have access to all codices. You could visit your local store for hours and read all the codices, but if you are anything like me, I have a hard enough time remembering all the rule book rules (hence why I spiral bound all my books) and frequently resort to referencing and rereading.

But why should you put so much effort on your opponent, you selected the units from your codex, you chose to play your army, you should be the expert on your own army, just like you expect your opponent to be. Why do I need to memorize all your special rules, while you may only play a small percent of them in any one army? What if you, the expert made a ‘misinterpretation’? What if the way you play is a local flavor of how most people play it?

I personally ask my opponent if I need to clarify anything, if he needs to know what certain units do etc. before the game. With Daemons being a ‘rare’ army, I expect my opponents not to know what the deal is. I don’t want to win my games because of a ‘gotcha’ moment. I would like to think that my opponents played to the best of their tactical abilities based on them being aware of what my army could do. I also try to remember to discuss problems that frequently pop up such as, “what is part of the hull of a Soul Grinder”, “Skarbrand also allows you to reroll your hits”. You should have this discussion just as much as talking about what terrain represents what before you start your game. I do not claim to be infallible; I sometimes forget to have this discussion.

Another pet peeve of mine is minimalist army lists. Army builder is capable of only showing unit costs and names. Why are you hiding unit stats and options? I personally give my opponent a ‘full’ army list, which happens to have a synopsis of special rules on the last page so my opponent can glance at it. All in all, I feel that if you and your opponent have a brief discussion about your rules at the beginning of the game it will minimize problems and T.O. intervention latter.

40K is not a Proving Ground

Believe it or not, there really does exist a line between wanting to play a great, tactical game and being competitive about your game play. I know, that's a real hard line for some people to draw. Some people can't separate the desire to play hard and to play to win.

In sports, they call this "remembering to have fun".

Honestly, there's no two way's around this. Desiring to "prove yourself" at anything in life at the expense of yourself or other people is a serious personality disorder, in more ways than one. Using 40K as an outlet for that level of thinking error is even worse. In fact, there's several DSM IV diagnoses that you fall into once you start using your toy soldiers game as an outlet for either proving self-worth, inflating your ego, or otherwise carrying out weird fantasies of hurting other people (namely your opponents).

Being competitive isn't a problem unless you make it a problem. If people around you don't like to be around you when you are playing a game, you have a problem. If people have told you that you are "over-competitive" or that you have a problem when it comes to gaming, you have a problem. If you find yourself constantly getting into hostile situations while gaming, you have a problem. If you find yourself getting angry over losing, you have a problem.

Yes, I know. You don't have a problem! It's other people who just can't take the heat, right? Yep. And I've never met an alcoholic who still drinks, either.

That aside, picking 40K as your outlet is really a bad idea in the first place. There's a lot better ways to go! If you need to feed your personality disorder, this is probably one of the worst things you could have picked. Let's just take a sample of the horrible reasons.

1) The company that makes the game has already said that isn't designed for competition.
2) The playing field isn't level, ever. Notice that real competitive sports have a level playing field except for the players? They don't randomly roll to see what the rules of the game are today or randomly select opponents to play against. They don't use a rule book that is so riddled full of arguable rules that you can't tell how the guy next door would even play the game. They use similar pieces with identical rules. Not a variety of armies not balanced to play the game in the first place (See #1)
3) True competitive events try to eliminate luck. 40K invites luck. Think about it. Do football players randomly roll to see how long the field is going to be today? Do chess players randomize how far a queen can move?
4) There's nothing to gain from winning. There's no fame. No fortune. No, well, anything?
5) There's not even an established system for competing in.

People like myself seek out others who enjoy the tactical experience of playing 40K. I like to play with people who know the rules as well as I do and who enjoy " the game " not the supposed competition.

Truth be told, I like to game, not compete.

Think about it!

13 Armor Walkers

On Episode 60, we have a little banter going on about 13 armor walkers, but there isn't much substantial in the conversation other than some points and quips.

I thought it would make a good BLOG post to explain the finer points about 13 Armor Walkers and why I'm mildly obsessed with them at the moment.

So, what's the deal with 13 Armor Walkers? 13 Armor Walkers provide some substantial advantages in a game of 40K that should be seriously considered by anyone building a list, especially if you are having trouble with some of the rougher assault armies in the game. If you aren't having troubles with assault armies, you might not care about 13 Armor Walkers. (That also tells me that your local meta really needs somebody to start playing some good assault armies!)

What do 13 Armor Walkers bring to the table that is so special? 13 Front Armor of course! No, really. Let's examine the benefits that 13 Front Armor provides in an assault.

1) Anything Strength 3 can't hurt it. So what, you say? I mean anything! Doesn't matter if it's carrying a power fist or has rending. That means your 13 Front Armor walker is invincible versus some really nasty beasties out there in the 40K Universe like embedded guard fists/eviscerators or more importantly, Slaanesh demons. Having trouble with big pack of Seekers? Not anymore because once your walker assaults them, they are screwed.

2) Anything with Strength 4/5/6 can't hurt it. So what, you say? What does this mean? First, it means Marines assaulted by a 13 FA Walker can't use their grenades to glance it. Sure, 12 FA Walkers are the bomb here too, but the 13 FA guarantees no damage. Death Company pissing your off? How about those Demon Bloodcrushers? Relic blade wielding maniac? Some crazy Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard unit backed up by some priest, Dante, and the kitchen sink got you down?

3) Dude. That's why people take thunderhammers and powerfists in their squads! Because Dreadnaughts suck to tangle with.

True. Those things are great answers to 12 FA Dreadies, but against 13 FA, they aren't so great. Can they get lucky and penetrate your 13 FA? Of course! Let's get real about those odds though!

First, let's assume that some Powerfist wielding Death Company maniac is going to try to take your Iron Clad dreadies' lunch money. Okay, he needs 3's to hit. So, that's 2/3 of his attacks that hit. If he gets 3 attacks, that means he'll get 2 hits.

Next, he needs a whopping 6 to penetrate you. Hmmm... not looking good for our black clad maniac. Only 1/6 of his hits will penetrate. That means of his two hits, 1 in every 3 rounds of combat will result in a penetrate on average.

Then, once he finally does penetrate, he needs to roll a 5 or a 6 to kill your Dread to escape the combat. Crud, that means only 1 in 3 penetrates will destroy you, and thus, only 1 in every 9 rounds of combat will that Death Company psycho actually kill your Dread.

In the meantime, your Dread is chopping up death company with his DCCW like he's practicing for The Iron Chef.

4) So, a 12 FA is good enough right? Using our example from above, note instead of 1/6 to penetrate, it's a 1/3. For those of you even slightly math inclined, you'll note that a 13 FA is 100% more (or twice as) survivable as a 12.

That's pretty darn significant if you are fighting SEVERAL black clad, powerfist wield, maniacs at the same time. A normal Dread might go down in a round or 2. A 13 FA will stand up longer which invariably means more dead DC by the time they exit the combat. Your Dread might have already chewed up enough of them that they no longer pose a threat.

5) Normal Strength 4 rending attacks can only ever glance. Sucks to be a genestealer fighting a 13 FA dread because they basically can't kill you. They need to hit. They need 6's to rend. They need a 5/6 just to glance. And from there, they need to immobilize, knock both your arms off, and finally kill you. Good luck while the Dread is merrily tearing them asunder.

6) Strength 5 and 6 monstrous creatures don't like 13 FA so much either. Even at Strength 6, they need a roll of 8 or higher to penetrate. Might not seem like much, but it's only like a 40% chance. This isn't the case for FA 12, where a roll of 7 means they have about a 58% chance to penetrate per swing. This is significant.

Basically, you take a 13 FA Dread when you find yourself constantly having to deal with some assault unit that is fast and you can't stop it. Of course, it doesn't work versus a squad of thunder hammers. (But it is does work 100% better than a normal dread.)

However, against so many other really irritating assault units in the game, he will work like a champion. How many Blood Angel players carry enough fists to kill a 13 armor dread reliably? Think about it. Your Dread waits patiently while the enemy closes, then he jumps on 'em like a spider monkey. You could effectively wipe out huge, very expensive squads while they helplessly sit there.

I know. You'll just shoot my Dread right?

Here's the thing. I've spent usually around 130ish point for my little toy. He's cheap. I also know how ridiculously effective he is against a lot of assault elements. Let's say you have some of those elements, and I just KNOW how awesome it's going to be when my dread ties up your 400 point monstrosity in a protracted combat, your 200 point IC who would otherwise wreck face, your most expensive hammer squads, or what have you.

You know it too so you REALLY want to shoot my dread before you get close to my army.

Tactically, the advantage is mine. I can hide my Dread, out of LoS. Who cares if he doesn't get to shoot? You can't shoot him, and he's effectively stalling what would otherwise be something really nasty from getting into my lines. More turns for me to shoot. I'll hide him. Bubblewrap him. Whatever. Because, basically, he's the answer to all my problems.

Think about it next time you are wondering what you could add to your list that would be pretty effective at stalling an assault army.

And remember, in a pinch, even though 13 FA is ideal, 12 FA works too.

Hold up entire 30 man boyz squads for round after round....

Be impervious to most demon units....

Cause many Blood Angel assault units to wonder if descent of angels works in reverse...

13 FA Walkers are definitely worth some thought.

Tiered Competitive Event Part 3b

Still trying to figure out the best way to group like skilled players prior to an actual tournament! Last time, I ran some algorithms which would attempt to place 64 players into appropriate brackets (say a Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum) based on the skill level of the player. The idea of course is to put like skilled players together into brackets of 16 whereupon they can compete to win in the bracket with players close to their skills.

Read the previous post to see what the 4 algorithms used were. Basically put, I wasn't really satisfied with any of it!

So, I decided to try a new algorithm this week to see what my results would look like as well as a serious modification to the old algorithms to try and get better numbers.

In a nutshell, here's how it works! Take 64 people and rate them from 1 to 64, where 1 is the worst player in the group and 64 the best. The idea is, if our preliminary matching works, when it's time for the actual tournament, players 1 - 16 will be in the bronze bracket, 17 - 32 will be in the silver, 33 - 48 in the gold, and 49-64 in the platinum. If it fails, players of non-like skill will be scattered all over the brackets.

So, the first new thing I wanted to try this week was adjusting battle points based on the proximity of the players to each other in skill level. The idea here is that players are NEAR LIKE skill shouldn't end up with much of a battle point spread whereas players who are no where near each other in terms of skills should end up with a blow out. For example, if player #46 plays a game against player #50, the game should be pretty close with battle points reflecting that. Whereas, if player #60 and player #8 play each other, it should be a complete blow out where Player #60 gets full points and player #8 gets 0 points.

Using this theory, I changed the way the original 4 algorithms calculated battle points which resulted in the following: (the number in parentheses is the original % correct)

--- Percentages reflect the % of players correctly placed in that bracket
Algorithm #1:
Bronze: 80% (78.756%)
Silver: 50% (41.25%)
Gold: 58.75% (42.5%)
Platinum: 86.25% (75%)

Algorithm #2:
Bronze: 66.25 (60%)
Silver: 43.75 (35%)
Gold: 51.25 (33.75%)
Platinum: 71.25 (62.5%)

Algorithm #3:
Bronze: 78.75 (75%)
Silver: 57.5 (38.75%)
Gold: 61.25 (43.75%)
Platinum: 82.5 (76.25%)

Algorithm #4:
Bronze: 75 (65%)
Silver: 53.75 (41.25%)
Gold: 45 (42.5%)
Platinum: 66.25 (67.5%)

Here's some food for thought on this idea. First, all algorithms got better across the board, some with substantial gains in placement. This is completely expected because we are attempting to model "reality" now with battle points and not just a random occurrence. However, this "reality" has a few problems.....

..... First, we are assuming that somehow we have devised a set of missions that will lend itself to the idea of "spreading' battle points based on player skill.....

..... Second, we are assuming that players will play to their ability each game....

So, aside from those caveats, this appears to work much better than last time, but it's still not really satisfactory! Satisfactory is a 75% on average in every category!

So, I decided that I would incorporate the concept of "Player Choice" into a new algorithm we'll call Algorithm #5. Player Choice is the idea that players will have some "say" in which bracket they want to attempt to play in.

Imagine that you walk in the door of the tournament. I tell you that for Day 1, we are doing pre-lim matches that will decide placement into the actual tournament which will take place on Day 2. There will be 4 brackets, designed to group players of like skill together to ensure everyone has fun and a good chance at winning in their bracket. I tell you that before we start the pre-lim matches, I would like for you to tell me which bracket you think you fit into:

Bronze Bracket - A bracket reserved for new players or players with little to no game skill or experience. You expect to lose every game you play today!

Silver Bracket - A bracket reserved for players who know the game but don't consider themselves strong gamers. You expect to do your best today but definitely not win all your games.

Gold Bracket - A bracket reserved for players who play well but don't consider themselves "great". You might be the guy that knows the game well but doesn't consistently do well at tournaments. You expect to win most of your games today!

Platinum Bracket - A bracket reserved for players who consider themselves good players or who are looking for the challenge of playing against top gamers. You normally place well in tournaments and could go 4-0!

So, you place yourself! Thing is, I'm not so dumb as to believe that people will spontaneously or magically pick the right spot for themselves. First reason is that they don't know the other players very well. Second, people don't always do such a good job at being honest with themselves. :)

That being known, algorithm #5 takes over. First, I assign each player to a "chosen" bracket. The way this is done is by looking at the player #, where Player #1 is the worst, and Player #64 the best, and have each player pick their own category. I do this by stating that each player has a 50% chance to choose correctly, a 35% chance to pick a category that is either 1 higher OR lower than their actual placement, and a 15% chance to choose a category that is either 2 higher or 2 lower than where they actually are.

From there, we match players in each chosen bracket for 4 games. We simply, randomly match the players in each bracket, recording Battle Points using the same system as above where players of like skill are close in battle points and players with huge gaps create blow outs.

At the end, we try to determine a calculated bracket for each player. To do this, we examine their battle points which should be representative of how well they did in their chosen bracket. If they have a lot of points, we can assume they might be playing against players they don't need to be playing with. Likewise, this is also true if they don't have very many. So, if a player has less than 10 Battle Points or greater than 70 (where the max battle points to be earned each round is 20), we adjust their bracket by 2 either down or up, respectively. If they have 11-25 or 55-70, we adjust one bracket. Otherwise, they are in the bracket they chose.

Lastly, we sort by Calculated Bracket and then by total Battle Points. This gives us an order between 1 and 64 for all players. We then break them into the 4 brackets with the first 16 being in the bronze bracket, the next 16 in silver, etc.

Algorithm #5:
Bronze: 78.75
Silver: 60
Gold: 68.75
Platinum: 85

So, I looked at this, and it is better than the other algorithms but only ever so slightly. Mostly, it's better in the Silver and Gold brackets which is where we have weakness. It is worth mentioning that some data sets placed 100% and 93% in some categories which hasn't happened yet with the other algorithms.

The next thing I wanted to test was to see if maybe I wasn't so pessimistic on people's ability to place themselves. So, this time I said players have a 70% chance to pick correctly, a 20% chance to mis-place by 1 bracket, and a 10% chance to mis-place by 2 brackets.

Algorithm #5 Modified:
Bronze: 85
Silver: 73.75
Gold: 76.25
Platinum: 86.25

Wow! First time we got numbers that hit the satisfactory mark! Sweet! Problem is....

.... We are still relying on people to properly place themselves. The more accurately you place yourself, the better the matching system works. Problem is, it's complete speculation as to how well people can place themselves! What would you think people would do?.....

.... Still got the issues with battle points......

Tiered Competitive Event: Part 3 a

So, I'm really interested now how one could go about setting up a tournament format in order to appeal to the amateur competitor. Remember that the amateur competitor is the person defined basically as someone who wants to play in a competitive event but wants to play with people of like or equal skill.

This really should be something we should strive for: pairing players of like skill against each other. This creates an environment that is both competitive yet fun for all involved.

So, I've been putting some serious thought into how this might get accomplished. The biggest challenge, of course, is how does one determine the skill level of a player so that they can be matched together?

Well, the first thought that comes into mind is a preliminary event that must occur in order to rate and/or rank players. From there, we could make determinations about like skills.

So, I wrote a computer algorithm which would randomly explore 3 types of pre-liminary matches for me. It would then conclude a final ranking system for pairings for an actual tournament. It would run the experiment 5 times and find an average of the ability of each algorithm to properly place individuals in the actual tournament.

In less complex terms.... take 64 players and rank them from worst to best in terms of skill. Now, pretend that we want to run a tournament where we put "like skilled" players together. Let's say we are allowed to run 4 brackets. That puts 16 players in each bracket. If our algorithm for determining their placement works, players 1 - 16 (the worst to the 16th worst player in our group of 64) should all be in a bracket together. Likewise, players 48 - 64 should all be in a bracket of 16 together as the best players. Hope that makes sense!

So, the computer program I wrote is going to randonmize and test 3 algorithms which seeks to create 4 brackets of 16 as described above. It then calculates the % of players in each bracket that were properly placed. In other words, if the worst players in the lot somehow ends up in the "top bracket" this creates an error both in the top and bottom brackets. What we then measure is the % of players in each bracket that are properly placed. The algorithm which achieves the highest average %'s in each bracket is the superior yard stick for player placement.

Each Algorithm assumes you will play 4 games as a prelim.

Algorithm #1 is a random algorithm based on W/L pairings. Round 1 is an entirely random matching of players. From there, Rounds 2, 3, and 4 randomly match players together based on their current W/L record. So, for example, in Round 2 everyone who won in Round 1 are randomly matched as is everyone who lost in Round 1. In Round 3, everyone who is currently 2-0 gets randomly paired, everyone who is 1-1 gets randomly paired, and everyone who is 0-0 gets randomly paired. Also, a random amount of battle points is assigned each round for 0-9 for the loser and 11-20 for the winner.

Algorithm #2 pairs individuals based on W/L pairings and battle points acrued using a seeding algorithm. Round 1 is entirely random. Also, each round, battle points are assigned for 0-9 for the loser and 11-20 for the winner. This is important because those battle points are then used to seed for the following rounds. From there, like W/L records are used, but instead of being randomly pairied, the top battle points player in the bracket is paired with the worst battle points player in the bracket.

Algorithm #3 is the same thing as Algorithm #2 expect instead of using seeding, the top players in each bracket are paired, then the 3rd and 4th players in each bracket are paired, etc.

No science experiment is complete without a control. The Control Algorithm in this case is randomly pairing each player, every round, and at the end, assigning them to brackets based on W/L record and Battle Points just like the other algorithms do.

The results of all of this are actually quite disheartening! Take a look.

Algorithm #1 Average Correct Placement %:

- Low Bracket: 78.756%
- Middle / Low Bracket: 41.25%
- Middle / High Bracket: 42.5%
- High Bracket - 75%

Algorithm #2 Average Correct Placement %:
- Low Bracket: 60%
- Middle / Low Bracket: 35%
- Middle / High Bracket: 33.75%
- High Bracket: 62.5%

Algorithm #3 Average Correct Placement %:
- Low Bracket: 75%
- Middle / Low Bracket: 38.75%
- Middle / High Bracket: 43.75%
- High Bracket: 76.25%

Control Algorithm Average Correct Placement%
- Low Bracket: 65%
- Middle / Low Bracket: 41.25%
- Middle / High Bracket : 42.5%
- High Bracket: 67.5%


So, Algorithm #1 and #3 are almost identical in results. Algorithm #2 and the Control show no significant differences. It would appear that all algorithms are much better at placing players into the Lowest and Highest brackets, but the middle brackets are a total crap shoot.

In all, I'm not really satisfied with ANY of the results. I would like to be able to correctly place around 75% (or 12 out of 16) correctly in EACH bracket. Otherwise, it's not a very reliable method for placing people for the actual tournament. 12 out of 16 means that 2 players in every bracket have been displaced.

Any ideas out there?

#1 Tip for Improving Your Game?

Simple. Know the rules. The first tip we ever issued on the Podcast, episode #1, was RTFM (read the rulebook in less abusive language :) )

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So before getting into WHY this is going to improve your game, let's cover a few obligatory topics.....

First and foremost, most likely, you are not a genius or a memory master, and most likely, just like me, you don't have the time to drill 40K rules on a daily basis to ensure that you could compete on a 40K Game Show like this goes does sports trivia: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuZ_0jx0oGw).

So, accept your human limitations, and go ahead and get all the "boo hoo I don't have time to memorize rules" out of your system. Nobody does! You are not a computer, and no one expects you to be. You never will be. This is something that Chess players recently figured out. (Computers versus Chess Players). Second, that guy at your local store who seems to "know it all".... he doesn't. So, just because he says it doesn't mean he is right. Look it up yourself. Also know that the more you look things up, the more apt you are to remember them. Practice makes perfection.

Third, know that there is a seemingly limitless supply of ambiguous and contentious rules in 40K. Next time you are really bored, do some research on the topic. The more familiar you are with these ambiguous rules and how they get resolved at large, the better you know the rules. Large FAQs like the INAT are a good place to start. Don't take anyone's word for it on a rules ruling, but you most certainly should discuss them with your play group. Also know how contentious and ambiguous rules will be resolved at any event you might want to attend. (At least be prepared for some core rules to get changed on you in the middle of the game by a judge. That's also just a fact of 40K life. )

Lastly, before I really start discussing how knowing the rules is going to help your game, beware the "this is the way we've always done it" mentality. Lots of people play this game in a certain fashion because they didn't update themselves on the new editions. It's okay to house rule things, but know what is and is not a house rule in your local club. This could be a big problem if no one even knows that they are using a house rule.

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So, how is knowing the rules well going to improve your game? First, it'll make the game go by faster since you aren't stopping to look things up every few minutes. This will let you get more games in in an allotted time which will equal more practice!

Aside from that, let's examine what is at the core of any strategy game. The foundation of any game is decisions. You make decisions to reach an outcome. The assumption that strategy games "insert" is that there is such thing as a "correct" decision, or more often than not in strategy games, a "most correct" decision given a certain circumstance. Theoretically, if you always make the "most correct" decision in every circumstance, you win! Some things seek to disrupt this though when it comes to 40K. The first, most obvious, disruption is dice rolling. Since dice are random, it is quite possible to always make the "most correct" decision and still lose a game because your dice go sour. Another big kicker in 40K is differences in codices. Sometimes, the "most correct" decision in any given circumstance might still net you a loss because you have a bad match-up. Scenarios are another great example. It's exactly this randomness, though, that makes 40K more entertaining in a lot of ways than chess because the decision trees are much, much longer. You also can't simply study and memorize them.

So, what's a decision tree? A decision tree is a long list of this... "if I do this, and then this, then my opponent will do this, which means I will respond with this, to which he will respond with that.... " and so on. It's a tree because you take a fork every time a decision is made, and the combination of all the decisions made will give you the outcome of the game! If you were a computer, like a chess computer, you would calculate billions of outcomes in a matter of seconds and choose the path that leads to victory! You aren't though! :)

So, what does this have to do with knowing rules? Well, you should always be striving to make the "most correct" decision in every CIRCUMSTANCE. A circumstance is defined by the rules of the game! Think about it. The position of your models, what they can do, what will happen if you shoot, move, assault, and even what your opponent will do to react to you is all defined by the rules of the game. If you don't know the rules, you can't fully analyze your situation, otherwise known as your circumstance, and thus, you won't be able to define the "most correct" decision because you haven't yet to define the circumstance.

Simply put, the more rules you know, the better able you are to see and comprehend what the best decision to make is because you more fully comprehend the situation you are in.

Here's an analogy. Let's suppose you are blind. Now, you can rely on your other four senses to help you negotiate the world. You can smell, touch, taste, and hear. You can use those four senses to help you make decisions about many things in your world. However, these decisions won't help you know to "duck!!!" when someone tosses a dodge ball at you. The thing is, you know what ducking is. You know that it is an appropriate reaction when something is heading for you, but what you DON'T KNOW, is that the circumstance you are currently in might warrant ducking as the "most correct" decision to be made because you can't see the oncoming ball.

Here's a 40K example. If you don't KNOW that Orks can declare a WAAAGH! once per game that gives them fleet, you might think you are SAFE from assaulting to be 13 inches away from a big mob. You won't even find out you were wrong until next turn when your opponent is on your poor marines like white on rice in a snowstorm because of his WAAAGH!. Had you have known about the WAAAGH! move, you probably could have made the "more correct" decision which would have been to GET AWAY! (or DUCK as in the previous analogy).

Often, I get asked, how do you think TACTICALLY? The answer is actually a lot simpler (as it always is in life) than you might first think. Thinking tactically is simply making the best decision possible in a given situation. The only way you can do that is to fully comprehend your situation or circumstance. In the game of 40K, the only way to truly comprehend your situation is to know the rules to the best of your ability.

Quiz yourself. Challenge yourself to answer questions, and then, check the book to see if you are right. These are all great exercises to help out.

Building an Argument for Balance Part 3: Exploring the Arbitrary System

So, last time I posted about this topic, I had created a system for arbitrarily assigning point values to units in a Codex in an effort to empirically examine units to discover if balance exists.

To recap, why are we doing this? The answer to this is simple. We can argue till we are blue in the face about our opinions as to why things are or are not balanced, but none of those arguments will have empirical results capable of being reproduced behind them (i.e. actual evidence). So instead of approaching this conversation from a "but I knowz DA IGz da bestest cuz my BFF tablez me every thyme we playez", it should make a lot more sense to spend energy developing a system that we can approach from a measurable stand point. Then, we can expend our energy arguing the system into an acceptable state rather than spinning in circles. If we build our system correctly, eventually, point gaps will exist which show clear distinctions, provided there actually are any which we don't know for a fact, which will hopefully overcome the invariable "nit picking" that will be associated with it.

So, last time I came up with a system which contained very little thought which allows us to make actual measurements and can be reproduced. What we need to do next is start arguing the validity of it (the subjective piece in all this). An boy howdy are there a lot of problems with that system!

Before I get started, I went ahead and used that points system to break down several troop choices across a few codices just to see what the system produced. Here are the results: (note that I am not including all calculations because it would be far to long, just the results)

Space Marines Troops Analysis:

Tactical Squad
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 12 Points
Assaults: 0 Points
Saves: 4 Points
Stats: 3 Points
Special Rules: 8 Points
Total Points: 28

Scout Squad
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 15 Points
Assaults: 0 Points
Armor: 2 Points
Stats: 1 Point
Special Rules: 11 Points
Total: 30 Points

Space Marine Troops Average Score: 29

Space Wolves Troop Analysis:

Grey Hunters:
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 37 Points
Assaults: 2 Points
Armor: 4 Points
Stats: 3 Points
Special Rules: 8 Points
Total: 55

Blood Claws
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 32 Points
Assaults: 3 Points
Armor: 3 Points
Stats: 1 Point
Special Rules: 10 Points
Total: 50

Space Wolves Troops Average Score: 50

Necron Troop Analysis:

Warriors:
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 9 Points
Assaults: 0 Points
Armor: 4 Points
Stats: 3 Points
Special Rules: 2 Points
Total: 19 Points

Necrons Troop Average Score: 19 Points

Chaos Space Marines Troop Analysis:

Chaos Space Marine:
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 37 Points
Assaults: 5 Points
Armor: 4 Points
Stats: 3 Points
Special Rules: 0 Points
Total: 50 Points

Khorne Berserker:
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 0 Points
Assaults: 13 Points
Armor: 3 Points
Stats: 5 Points
Special Rules: 4 Points
Total: 26 Points

Noise Marines:
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 1 Point
Assaults: 0 Points
Armor: 3 Points
Stats: 5 Points
Special Rules: 1 Point
Total: 11 Points

Plague Marines:
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 34 Points
Assaults: 0 Points
Stats: 5 Points
Armor: 3 Points
Special Rules: 4 Points
Total: 47 Points

Thousand Sons:
Movement: 0 Points
Shooting: 0 Points
Assaults: 0 Points
Armor: 6 Points
Stats: 2 Points
Special Rules: 3 Points
Total: 11 Points

Summoned Daemons:
Movement: 1 Point
Shooting: 0 Points
Assaults: 1 Point
Armor: 1 Point
Stats: 2 Points
Special Rules: 5 Points
Total: 10 Points

CSM Troops Average: 26

Average of all Codices: 31 Points
Standard Deviation of All units: 16 Points

This post is long enough as is, but here are some things to chew on while you look at this analysis. Remember, the goal here is to point out areas of glaring error so they can be corrected.

1) Necrons, Space Marines, and Chaos Space Marines are all within 1 Standard Deviation of each other. Space Wolves are not. Will this change if we included troop choices from other Dexs? I think so! Necrons will likely fall outside of 1 standard deviation (maybe even 2) and Space Wolves will likely be 2-3 standard deviations out as well. Standard Deviation is a good way to detect outliers. In our case, analysis of units that fall within a single standard deviation are "close to each other" where those outside of that are likely less balanced.

2) It would appear that, overall, there is a problem in the shooting category as some units get very high scores there and other get very little. The cause of this is their ability to obtain cheap melta guns or combi-meltas in amounts of 2-3, and they are picking up points for killing or damaging vehicles since we have no range restrictions in our calculations. Likewise, it would also appear that we may not be giving enough credit for killing Infantry, as can be evidenced by Thousand Sons getting no points in shooting despite having AP 3 bolters.

3) We may not be assigning enough points for the assault phase. There are many problems here not the least of which is no calculation about sweeping advance potential, causing morale checks, fearless wounds, etc. We all know that the Assault Phase is generally more "killy" than the shooting phase, but this is not necessarily represented well. Only Khorne Berserkers score any significant amount, and the points earned do not balance with shooting potential. Should they balance? I'm not sure on that at the moment considering that most people "prefer" the shooting phase.

4) Noise Marines and 1K Sons are certainly outliers. Our system does not appear to be appealing to any of their strengths. The only other alternative is that they do not have very many significant strengths. Which is it? What is the system missing?

5) Wolves got VERY high scores, but this is because they dominated the shooting category due to multiple meltas + combi-meltas being able to kill vehicles.

There's more, but I will analyze further later!

Hosting a Tiered Competitive Tournament and a Non-Competitive Event: Part 1

Non-Competitive Event:

So, in response to the introductory article, Nathan Fluger posted up a non-competitive event idea which I think was an excellent example of exactly what we are looking for in this area. Recall that a non-competitive event is an event designed to provide a game play feel but involve no real competition. The suggestion was a 40K scavenger hunt. The idea here is that a big list of “events” are created and handed to each player. The goal for each play in the event is to play as many games of 40K as they can stand across the event with as many players as possible. As “events” occur in those games, they can get their list checked off for the event having occurred.

Example: One item on the check list might be “rolled a Snake Eyes to pass a Morale Check”. If that occurs during your game, you can get it signed off on that it occurred.

I want to examine why this is a fantastic set-up so we can use it as a basis to describe some core components of what I think make for a great Non-Competitive Event.

1) The format is designed to get people to play games. This is critical as the intent is to have a “game play” event not a convention. In fact, the more games you play, the more chances you have of checking items off your list! This could encourage people to play all day and all night!

2) The format has no relationship to winning or losing your games. Thus, you no longer need be concerned with the list you bring, the tactics you will use, etc.

3) “Winning” is a matter of randomness throughout your games. It can’t be controlled and thusly no need for competitive attitudes at the table. Also, no need for competitive lists or feeling like you got “crushed” if you lose.

4) It doesn’t require any tactical skill to participate!

5) Others?

These are exact qualities you look for in a non-competitive event. The above idea does have a few flaws in it which can potentially be gamed, but this is an excellent descriptor of exactly what we are looking to find. Perhaps he can use a concept like this to design a system which promotes game play not winning?

Amateur Competitive Event:

Similarly, I want to come up with a list of things that I think will make for a good amateur competitive event. From there, perhaps we can distill those ideas into a good format.

1) Don’t offer crutches or handicaps. I don’t think that anyone really wants to feel like they are being “helped” to win.

2) Refrain from a scenario in which players will feel like they are being “crushed” by a competitor who is out of their league.

3) No comp. I really don’t want Comp. The reason is that preferably, you shouldn’t have to tell anyone what they are or are not allowed to field.

4) Others?

I have a lot of thoughts on this topic, but so far, I’m not sure they are well formed or even feasible. The point of the exercise then is to make them well formed and determine feasibility or alternatives. Hopefully we can then construct a list things we want to see and lastly a system which will fulfill them.
Somehow, as described by the “tiered competitive” portion of the title, it would be ideal to have tournaments for amateur competitors be tiered such that you are putting “like skilled” players in the same brackets. This is similar to how we put Heavy Weight fighters and Light Weight fighters in different brackets. How do you do this? Some sort of pre-qualifier rounds? Based on armies? Vet decisions? I’m not sure! This would be ideal though as it would help considerably with alleviating a player’s feeling that he didn’t have a chance. Truth be told, we can’t fix “whining about losing”, but we can make steps towards making sure that we aren’t putting the seals in with the sharks. Not to mention, this would seriously help competitive players find what they are looking for which is not (shouldn’t be anyways) playing against weaker players.

I really want to refrain from artificially handicapping or boosting players. By this I mean that I don’t want systems like comp which attempt to give advantage to one player or another. There are lots of reasons why comp is both good and bad, but in all, I don’t want to be telling people what they should or should not have in their lists. So, how do you make something more competitive when it simply isn’t? If it comes to this, I have much less of a problem boosting a codex than I do trying to “comp down” a codex. This is simply a design strategy. Don’t take away, just give in equal amounts! People in general will be much happier that way.

I realize that you can’t stop people from whining about losing. That’s life. However, don’t get hung up on that. I do believe that you can create a system where people will at least recognize it as trying to be as fair as possible to them. Currently, most amateur competitors just find tournaments as frustrating because they feel like they didn’t have a chance or were not given a fair shake. The perception here could at least be remedied. The truth is, it's not whining about losing if you really were handed a knife and told to go participate in a gun battle. Real sports recognize this (as alluded to by Heavy/Light Weight boxing). There should be a way we can recognize this as well.

Hosting a tiered competitive event and a non-tournament event: Introduction

So, I’m all about some competitive tournament events. Since the “NOVA” phenomenon, I have also attended the BfS and intend to go to Bolter Beach, another event based off the NOVA Open. These are a ton of fun if you are into the competitive scene.

What if you aren’t? There’s no need for me to further generate ideas on what a good competitive tournament would look like. The Whiskey and 40K crew already figured this out for us. Indeed, they even attempted to reach out to the rest of the community as well by involving equal prize bases in that format for things such as Sportsman, Best Painted Army, and Renaissance Man. Combined with the seeded matching system, hopefully players at the event get to face off against opponents which are basically on par with them. That being said, at the end of the day, it’s still a competitive event.

As large (and VOCAL) as the competitive community is, there is an equally large if not larger 40K community out there that doesn’t associate with that competitive community. I’m sure you are familiar with the groups, but here are my definitions for them:

- Non-competitive: These groups of individuals just want to game and be a part of the hobby. Winning is completely irrelevant.

- Amateur Competitive: Groups of individuals that truly are competitive, but want an arena where they can actually compete because they aren’t into the hyper-competitive scene.

So, let me describe some of the characteristics of these two groups of individuals, and I’m sure you will be right on board with what I’m talking about.

The Non-Competitive Gamer:

The non-competitive gamer is generally characterized by the “beer and pretzels” mentality. These are the guys who just showed up at your event because showing up was the primary goal. Often, these guys are more into the hobby than into the game, although not necessarily. Winning a game means nothing to them nor does losing it. They don’t come to events expecting to win prizes and are happy just to play some games and get some laughs in.

Often, these are the major hobby guys. They show up to show off their armies. If they can get some fun games in to boot, great!

Amateur Competitive:

These are the gamers who are characterized by a desire to compete but general inability to do so. Generally, this is the group of gamers that characteristically is known for wanting comp systems, complains about hyper-competitive gamers at events or “hard” lists in a competitive environment, or just a general want of “fairness” or “balance” in a tournament scene so they aren’t getting crushed by the hard-core competitive crowd.

Believe it or not, most of the gamers I meet fall into this category.

So, the competitive crowd has put a TON of effort into devising plans for competitive tournaments. In efforts to include other types of gamers, those events include other tournaments within tournaments such as painting, sportsmanship, etc. However, what they don’t do is include game play related events which would appeal to the Amateur Competitor or Non-Competitor. The NOVA did a good job of addressing this by their seeding methodology, which tends to by the end of the day put like-skilled gamers together as well as offering more prizes the more you lost. This was a fantastic layout while also trying to cater heavily to the competitive scene with a single-elimination tournament in play as well.

That being said, not so much effort has been put into trying to come up with events that cater to these other two crowds in terms of actual game play. I think there are several reasons for this, but why is not as important as moving forward. What I would like to do is come up with events for these other type categories of gamers.

Now, this is not just your average “we need a better tournament format” BLOG post. On the contrary, as far as tournament formats go, the NOVA format pretty much solves the problem.

So, what is the point? Many events do their best to try and combine all categories of gamers under a single roof. This makes sense given how small our hobby is in terms of players. You want as many people to show up as possible. However, I really think that the best solution for catering to these groups of gamers is to separate the events.

In other words, if you really want that group of gamers to be happy, you should really have different events. Have an event for your competitive gamers, one for your amateur competitors, and one for your non-competitors. Rather than trying to figure out how to combine them, have three different types.

We are already doing this in most cases. Tournaments with comp attached are directed exactly at the amateur competitors. There are a bunch of GTs already doing this. They include made up scenarios, comp systems, and many other elements which competitive gamers abhor but amateur competitors love. What I want here is an event structure as solid, well thought out, and copyable as the NOVA format. The difference will be that we don’t have to focus any longer on trying to cater to all groups, just one.

As far as non-competitive events involving game play….. are there any? Most of these are just conventions, but non-competitive gamers want to play, not just attend a convention as well. What would an event look like that involved game play that isn’t competitive at all?

I’ve got a lot of ideas to explore on these notions. For example, what about tiered tournaments for amateur competitors where you match people based on their skill level, armies, comp preference, etc?

I’m interested to see where this thought process can lead.

Building an Argument for Balance Part 2: Starting with an Arbitrary System

Creating a system to quantify fairness or balance:

In order to make an argument that balance is not as all encompassing as we want to believe, we must first come up with an objective and quantifiable means of defining fairness or balance between codices. How can this be done?



Many systems of Comp have already tried to do this. The biggest problem with most of these systems is that they are entirely subjective and generally utilizing rules which do not apply equally to all codices involved. So, to get started, we must agree that if we are going to come up with a system where we can quantifiably judge balance, it must be able to do so without anyone interjecting any “opinion” into the system. It needs to be based solely off of a set of factual, measurable rule statements.



Measurable statements are statements which can be equally applied as a measure to all codices. This means that we should really stay away from statements which can only apply in given circumstances and only for a given Codex. The overall goal of the creation of these statements is to create a metric by which codices can be compared. These create an empirical study rather than just a subjective view point. The only problem will be that creating those rules WILL involve some subjective statements. The difference will be that the subjective nature will produce measureable values rather than “but Space Wolves ARE OP” raving.



However, we can quibble ourselves into a philosophical quagmire trying to debate how to create a perfect quantifying system for balance. To avoid that, one tactic I like to use is to simply “take a shot” at coming up with a system and seeing what happens. The reason why this is effective is because a measurable system has reproducible results. It is also effective because reproducible results can be reviewed by others and argued to a finer standard.



Your lawyer brain is probably flashing red lights at this point. That’s okay. It’s another human flaw and response to a given set of assertions to argue rather than to simply play along. What you should be recognizing though is that almost any game you have played, be it table top, computer game, or what have you, uses ideas just like this to try and maintain a balance. Any game which doesn’t flounders with imbalance. We do attempt to seek balance in a gaming system for creating measurable values and then using subjective measures to fine tune the numbers into a system which can eventually be used to create empirical evidence.



For example. You may be familiar with terms such as “Damage Per Second” or “Mitigation”. These are empirical values generally assigned to games which are used to make comparisons. These comparisons can then be used as evidence for balance. In Warhammer 40K, we already do this with statistical analysis of dice rolling, stat lines, point values, etc.



***On that note, before I continue, and I will come back to this…. How much effort do you think has thus far been put into trying to empirically balance 40K? A lot or a little? Why do you think that? If you think that not a lot of effort has been put in, can you still justify to yourself that the game is balanced? ***



So, I have just arbitrarily come up with a system for trying to assign quantifiable values to different codices. This system is entirely arbitrary! It has no meaning other than something I just quickly put down on paper as a starting point for achieving a measure of balance. After I get done explaining it and showing some results, I will come back and analyze it in another post to show you exactly how the “back and forth” works with coming up with a subjective, empirical system. (This as opposed to NO SYSTEM AT ALL.) This is simply an example of the exercise of coming up with a system which we will refine as we move forward.

A randomly created value system put together with little to no thought

• We will attempt to assign point values to different units in each codex. These points will be based on the rating system below. When finished, we will add up all the points, and the final value will be the “score” for that unit.


• From there, we will compare those scores for each unit within a single force organization of a codex. We will find the “average score” for that Codex for that Force Organization.


• We will compare the values between Codices in a search for balance.


• We will see which codices fall within 1 standard deviation of the average and outside of that standard deviation as an initial measure of balance.

Movement Phase:

• If a unit CAN ALWAYS MOVE 6 inches: 1 point


• If a unit CAN ALWAYS MOVE 6-12 inches: 3 points


• If a unit CAN ALWAYS MOVE 12+ inches: 5 points

Shooting Phase

• If a unit CAN statistically, on average, kill a 5 man marine squad not in cover in a single turn of shooting: 5 points


• … 10 man marine squad in a single turn of shooting: 10 points


• …. 3 man marine squad: 3 points


• ….1 marine : 1 point


• If a unit CAN statistically, on average, kill an AV 10 vehicle not in cover in a single turn of shooting: 1 point


• …. AV 11: 3 Points


• …. AV 12: 5points


• …. AV 13: 10 Points


• …. AV 14: 15 points


• If a unit CAN statistically glance or penetrate an AV 11 vehicle no in cover in a single turn of shooting: 1 point


• … AV 12: 3 points


• …. AV 13: 5 points


• …. AV14: 10 points


• Lastly, subtract one point from each category for every 50 points spent to use the unit in the least expensive configuration possible to achieve the goal.

Assault Phase

• IF the unit CAN statistically kill 1 marine in Close Combat without charging : 1 point


• ….. 3 marines: 5 points


• ….. 5 marines: 10 points


• ….. 10 marines: 20 points


• If the unit CAN statistically kill 3 marines in Close Combat by charging: 1points


• …. 5 marines: 5 points


• …. 10 marines: 10 points


• If a unit can charge 6 inches and subtracting 1 point for every 10 points the average model in the unit costs: 1 point


• …. 12 inches: 5 points


• > 12 inches: 10 points


• Subtract 1 point from category for every 50 points spent on the unit except for the last 3 categories about charge range for the least point expensive configuration needed to achieve the category.

Armor

• For vehicles, subtract 1 point for every 50 points of cost on the vehicle. For non-vehicles, subtract 1 point for every 10 points spent on the average model in the unit.


• If the highest armor value is AV 10: 1 point


• …. Av 11: 2 points


• …. AV 12 – 5 points


• …. AV 13 – 10 points


• … AV 14 – 15 points


• Standard Armor Save of 5+: 1 point


• …. 4+ : 3 points


• …. 3+: 5 points


• …. 2+: 10 points


• Invulnerable Save of 5+: 2 points


• ….4+: 5 points


• …. 3+ : 10 points


• …. 2+: 20 points


• For armor, you will take the highest possible point value given wargear additions and subtracting costs. You will get points for each category of save but only the highest point value allocated for each level.

Stats:

• Not applicable to vehicles


• +1 Point for Strength, Toughness, BS, and WS being a 4.


• +3 point for each point higher than 4 in Strength, Toughness, BS, WS, or I.

Special Rules

• For each USR in use: 3 points


• For each positive special rule: 3 points


• For each negative special rule: -1 point


• For a rule that be both positive and negative: 2 points

Overarching rules
- No value may ever go below zero in any category.




So that’s it! For better or for worse! So before I crank out an example, let’s do just a little reflection on the system. First, we can see the subject end is the measure itself as well as the point value assigned. The non-subjective bit is that these rules can be applied to every unit and the same result reproduced.



Example: Space Marine Tactical Squad


Movement Phase

• Can move 6 inches: 1 point

Shooting Phase:

• @180 points can kill 3 Marines = 3 + (-3 …. Cost of the unit) = 0 points awarded.


• @90 points can kill 1 Marine = 1 + (-1 … cost the unit) = 0 points awarded.


• @175 points can kill AV 12 with Melta + Multi Melta = 5 + (-3 cost of unit) = 2


• @100 points can DAMAGE AV 12 with Combi-Melta = 3 + (-2) = 1


• Etc.


• Total: 12 points awarded

Assault Phase

• Space Marine Tactical units cannot meet any categories and earn points versus their cost


• Total: 0 points awarded

Armor:

• 3+ Save = 5 + (-1 point for 15 point marine) = 4 points

Stats:

• +1 point for Strength, Toughness, BS, and WS of 4: 4 + (-1 for 15 point marine) = 3 points


• Total: = 3

Special Rules

• ATSKNF – 3 points


• Combat Squads – 3 points


• Combat Tactics – 3 points


• Cost: -1 point


• Total: 8 points

Space Marine Tactical Squad: Grand Total of 28 points



So that’s it for our very first, arbitrary, with no real thought put into it, system. My next post will attempt to examine this little system and point out some glaring flaws. It will also show you an analysis of several troop choices and show you what has happened.

Orks for Battle for Salvation Part 2

So, I'm still obsessing about my list.

Decided to go for a little more balanced approach! This one "feels" a little better.

Orks @ 2000 Points List #2

HQ:
Ghazzie - 225
Big Mek + KFF - 85

Elites:
4 x Mega Nobz w/ Battle Wagon + Deff+ RPJ + Armor Plates - 290
10 x Lootas - 150
10 x Lootas - 150

Troops:
4 x Mega Nobz w/ Battle Wagon + Deff+ RPJ + Armor Plates - 290
18 x Boyz + Nob + PK - 149
18 x Boyz + Nob + PK -149
29 x Shoota Boyz + Nob + PK + 3 Rokkits - 245

Heavy:
Battlewagon + Deff + RPJ - 115
Battlewagon + Deff + RPJ - 115

Total: 1998

Okay, here's more thoughts!

#1: 3 of the 4 deployments are going to be 40 inch + gaps between myself and the enemy unless he moves forward. This means a few things. First, 1 extra turn for Battle Wagons. Second, long range guns are more in play here .

#2: Only 1 of the 4 missions is Objectives. Thus, needing to hold objectives is not a big deal. I'm thinking the 30 man Shoota Boyz can handle that job. I beefed them up with a Nob + PK because in missions where I don't care about objectives, they can mad dash towards the enemy and get ready to support the battle wagons in a brawl. For this, I would have preferred Sluggas, but in missions where objectives might matter, I'll be happy they can shoot. It's a big trade off!

The three rokkit MIGHT get one vehicle all game. The shootas will protect me from Scouts in the center. But, I now have 2 Lootas squads to do that as well. The Shootas can spray down any Strakken Blobs I don't want to mess with. All these are good.

Unfortunately, Ork shooting really, really sucks. So, in missions where I don't need the shooting, what good are they? They are even more terrible against BA who have FnP.

I'm torn here :(

#3: The extra 10 Lootas will allow me to potentially pop some transports before my Wagons get there plus provide more answers to Vendettas. if my opponent chooses to target my lootas, awesome! Because of the deployment, I can keep Lootas mostly at 48 inches. "Torrent of Fire" weapons don't usually have that kind of range. So, if they want to plink at my Lootas with Rockets or Cannons instead of my wagons, BE MY GUEST!

This adds more infilitrating scout defense as well.

#4: Big Mek got Armor and a Klaw. I figure at the 40 inch to get there range, there's no coming back! So, he might as well be ready to fight!

I'm also toying with the idea of splitting the 30 man shootaz into 2, 20 man shootaz with 2 rokkits each and no Nob. However, lack of objective missions makes me think this isn't worth it because I don't really need the troop choices.

Talking Points - 1800ish Points

The next range of points commonly seen is the 1750-1850ish point range. For some time, this was the “standard” tournament size in the states. Although this is not necessarily as true anymore, it is still a common points range for a normal game.

The 1800ish Points range is generally considered the compromise level between a small 1500 and a larger 2000 point game. As an entity all of its own, the 1800ish point range offers a compromise between the Pros and Cons at the 1500 and 2000 point ranges, hence the compromise.

Pros

• The additional 250-350 points over 1500 points allows for this range to have a bit more diversity. As such, it also allows for most armies to start to flesh out into a more “balanced” style list. The extra points allow players to pick up that “extra” unit or weapon which will allow them to “handle” a little more variety of opponents.
• As with 1500 points, the point level is still small enough, especially at 1750, to generally appeal to a player’s ‘sense’ of having to be tactical while building a list but is less restrictive.
• This point value comprises the sweet spot for some armies. Some armies needed just that little boost over 1500 to start working some new strategies that weren’t possible at 1500. For example, a “Loganwing” starts to become a little more viable and reasonable that this point level than at 1500 because the cost of Logan Grimnar himself is covered in the points boost.
• This points level start to see a little more balance be applied to the game, especially for older codices which could not pack in a lot of power at 1500 unlike newer dex’s can.

Cons

• Just as it is a pro that the point value increases for some armies and players, it is also a con for other armies and players. Albeit adding a bit more flavor, it also adds more room for some armies which some player will contend means generals are no longer have to be choosy about what they take.
• More points mean more flexibility. You will start to see the breakdown of some very “rock, paper, scissor” strategies at around the 1850 level before armies have become more flexible and able to handle more situations. This is actually both a PRO and a CON. Some people prefer it this way. Others do not!

Misconceptions

1850 is the standard game size.

This is so far from true as to be ridiculous. As many people that play at 1850 also likely play at 1750, 1500, and 2000.